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...Near Warner Bros.!? No!!!
Maybe I should be calling him "Uncle Mike"...
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yeah i believe that just came out a year or two ago on their 1st album of new material in a long time. a nice song in the wilson - love vein... altho that style has hardly advanced in 50 years.

i'm thinking the biggest tragedy of the beach boys is that brian (and possibly dennis) should have gotten out long ago and left the others to recycle the same old stuff as was their wont. actually brian tried for a long time to do just that, but a combination of his own emotional fragility and ppl manipulating him prevented that from ever happening cleanly. but it all goes back murry, really.
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So, the President of the Burbank Beach Boys Fan Club was dating Bill Wyman.
Are there any stories about BB hanging around The Stones?

Side note: My psycho-clown ex-school buddy's sister was the President of the Los Angeles The Loving Spoonfuls Fan Club in '66, but I don't remember seeing Bill Wyman around her...
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I wouldn't call it "people manipulating Brian". It's like I said about being deprived of the piano. Those in control by their continued success or by their executive status simply deprive. Their imperial behavior simply shuts you out, by finance or by authority.

Brian continued in the traditional record company vein instead of as an indie, and that's why others had the power to do that.
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according to the book, brian seemed to run in to or work with famous musicians fairly often. the bagge graphic novel i shared is a good way to get some quick sketches. no idea about the stones or wyman specifically.


i have to disagree about the manipulation stuff. murry, mike, landy and the group as a whole were unbelievably domineering when it came to using him. he was their meal ticket essentially, and they had no intention of fully letting him go... even tho they didn't want him to exercise his full powers, either. (again, i think it would help you to read the book)

the tragedy is that once brian had those song-writing credits, he didn't need the band in order to make a living. if he had been strong enough to do so, he could have broken away, formed a backing band, and gone on to make as many more pet sounds and smiles as he had in him... at his own pace, with lots more support and freedom.


edit: however i can certainly agree that manipulation is the nature of the game of the record business. not to mention, brian had certain self-destructive qualities (built in by murry) that required no external proddings to operate on their own. i'm talking about the external stuff, tho.

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Because the record companies know that they don't have the talent. So they use psychology often to control the genies.
Even when the record companies are staffed by former and current musicians and artists, they do it, and they do it to create a mass culture that can be bought and sold.
Which is why they fall on their faces when the listeners drop out on them. When the sound is irrelevant to the living.
The companies run on a near-political agenda and the kids will often nuke that shit.

As it stands, the best selling albums cannot sell more than 100 Million copies. At last count, there are more than 7 Billion people in the world. The business is much smaller than it would seem.
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And for an exact Personal example, consider this.
I woke up this morning and I went through my routine of checking the Yahoo! News front page. I clicked an article about somebody dissing The OSCARS > Sound of Music tribute.

I watched the video. I swear, I was looking right at my old man. His name was "Ray". But it was Steven Sondheim. I still have my old man's "death certificate" from '97. He "died in a Glendale Adventist hospital and passed on morphine". This was during the "Angel of Death" crisis at the same hospital. "A night nurse there was administering lethal doses of morphine to patients whom the nurse concluded needed to be put to sleep, out of mercy."
I state this in quotes because the story may have been fabricated.

Back in the early 70's, one of my tunes later appeared as the melody for "Send In the Clowns". I have been aware of this coincidence since before "my Father's death".
And in 1957, while doodling on my Aunt Beatrice's (Uncle Mike Warner's) piano, I made up a tune based on the C Scale which then became "Do-Re-Mi".
And I tried to play "Carol of the Bells" in '57 on my step-grandfather's piano after hearing it on tv. I Liked it, couldn't quite remember it, and so made up a new tune which was later used as the melody for "My Favorite Things". It was another coincidence...duh... But nobody told me.

When we visited Pennsylvania in '73 on the death of my Grandmother (my Mother's Mom; she and Grandpa owned the pump organ and the burning house), as we prepared to return to California, out of the blue, my cousin on my Father's side gave me a "The Sound of Music" songbook for piano. I had played no piano around her, though I mentioned studying basic piano in high school (I had no piano to practice on then. Only a guitar...The folks then bought a piano for my Sister).

And then my cat "Trooper" ( or "Trouper" depending on the drama queen interpreter...) was removed by them on OSCAR Sunday while I slept. But I didn't watch the show. Bummed out. And I didn't know about the "Sound of Music" tribute until I read about it on the Net the next day.

So what the Hell is all this shit about? Manipulation. They've been using my private output while holding me down and out with their dramas and their bullshit poverty, while outside family, Aunts and Uncles, owned 120 acre farms). If I leave, they stalk. If I refuse, they get rough about it. There is no exit unless I can get to the other side of the planet.

Trooper is still missing. I only care about Life. And Living. I work to live, not to work and suffer. Btw, they are also extremist recluses with issues, and too much of everybody else's money.

EDIT: One last note. In separate statements, both my Brother and "Jerry" in the biz, told me privately that "you can't get an acting job without being a member of SAG (the Screen Actor's Guild). But that you cannot become a member of SAG until you have worked as an actor. But my Brother wasn't in the biz at that time, or pretended not to be. And I wasn't going there At All with a severe speech impediment.
But they have been holding me to the same rule over song creation, and over the Hot Wheels account. Crooks? Recluses?

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so there we go.
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But...their pretenses are 24/7. Like recluses. Like control freaks. They are Always On.
I am not interested in faking my life 24/7. Am I going to have to slip out like a Prince Harry? Always answerable to them? I disagree.
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That TWGMtR album charted at #3 Billboard, which sounds like why "Uncle Mike" may have become more assertive vs. Brian's directions.
"Uncle Mike" claims that Brian and Al were agreeing to being let out; that they were only together for the album promotion.

But that flies in the face of the fact that, as bands go, the band's main money comes from touring and Not the albums or the singles. This is also nothing new. Remember in the film "Jailhouse Rock" when Elvis is on cloud nine because he is going to earn 7 Cents per single?

In the other hand, a hot tour earns from touring and from souveniers and concessions. In Billions. Even after death, and then the passing often generates a buying frenzy. What do you suppose? Maybe no Brian and Al = lower salaries? A smart Brian and Al would put their interests in a touring contract, payable with or without their presence.
So I don't know what's up.

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And Damn! I am Hating the new Firefox. I keep setting the search engine and FF keeps restoring back to fucking Yahoo! I searched for the above YouTube and Yahoo! nixed it, instead asserting it's own Yahoo video results...for Steely Dan and Everything but the BBs. Yahoo is censoring YouTube results.
Maybe I've caught a very bad bug??

Anyway, Yahoo is Ignoramus search engine. I installed Opera last night, but my quick links are still on FF.

EDIT: I just used Yahoo! to find "UPS Tracking". They hit me with a page for some useless third party program. It demanded an install just to track my shipment. No Way!
Yahoo! Hell...

It's Really Weird how most of the CBS and ABC Network-owned or associated websites are spambait dead rot sites with stupid add-on junk.. Not very professional...

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should be no problem to export your links from FF in to opera or chrome or whatever. the main reason that i don't switch from FF on laptop is because i have my plugins configured just the way i want. not that i have major problems with FF, either.

it's moreso on android where browsers tend to be toy versions of themselves and you don't have basic functionality like that. kind of pain for me, since i do 50% of my browsing on tablet.

sleepy, you seem like a guy who would want to mess with "about:config" (type that in to the URL in FF). you can change just about any setting there at a core level.

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brian was definitely earning loot from the tours without being present, and the boys were one of the hardest working tour groups starting around the mid-70's or so when they went through their big revival. things may have changed however when mike wrangled the name away.

the book said that every member of the core and extended band had sued each other at least once... with most suits being directed at brian.
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On the listening end, I'm in some sci-fi territory with


. It's a pretty nifty idea, but Wilson really refuses to run with it, much like he did in Spin. Okay, so it's a world where there was no WWII, 2014 computers are stuck in the '70s, there are no jet airplanes so it's assumed that there's no space program... and that's about all we're told. I can guarantee if Stephen King had written it, we'd know the fate of Elvis and the Beatles!
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, a fun little stroll down memory lane when men were men and the Illuminati controlled everything. HAHAHA! Just kidding. They still do.
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yea i meant to get enrolled in usenet a couple years ago, but dragged my heels and pretty much made do with the download sites.
You are missing out on quite a bit! I remember back in the day downloading everything in sight off the newsgroups and pining for that one hole in my life; why couldn't someone think of a way to make books downloadable? Thanks, Amazon! For me, usenet pays for itself 10 or 20 times over by the end of the month. Although I no longer download games or programs. It's sad, but that whole scene has turned into virus delivery systems. On the plus side... books!
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oh well. fortunately with the rise of high-quality open-source and indy stuff, programs are not something i really need. even my local library system has tonnes of books available online, altho it's easy to get lazy and just look for epubs from browser download sites.

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anyway, in quite a coincidental turn -i myself- am also reading a book by a robert wilson, a guy probably most famous for examining illuminati conspiracies. of course the guy is robert anton wilson and the book is cosmic trigger, volume 1.

the cover is too large to attach, so:
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he has a really healthy take on belief as i see it. he's willing to entertain anything under the sum but can only definitely say how he feels at any particular moment about it. there is no 'knowing' and nothing 'is.' he says that once you fall down the rabbit hole, either one or two things happens-- you become firmly paranoid or firmly agnostic. and not just as agnostic in terms of deity, but agnostic in terms of absolutely everything.

wow, i need more ppl in my life like this.

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thanks for the summary of the SF book. i think i'm about in the mood to read some SF and was scanning the list of hugo-nominated books the other day. what would be perfect would be a series to fall in love with so i'd have a run of books to quench my thirst if need be. too bad i've already read so many, like foundation, rama, ender's game, dune, deathworld, etc.
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LOL! As you may guess, Robert Anton Wilson is a major player in my United States of Paranoia book, so as you were reading him, I was reading about him! The author, more or less, labeled him as conspiracist as ironist; someone who didn't really believe much of what they were writing, but was having some fun with it anyway, much like the guys behind the Church of the Sub-Genius.
Man, I'm trying to think of the last sci-fi series I read that didn't begin with "Star" and end in either "Trek" or "Wars"... and that was quite a while ago for those two! For some reason, I've never been much of a series fan, or at least never found one I could sink my teeth into. I think the problem with so many sci-fi series is that they go on long after they've run out of fresh ideas. One sci-fi book I've really been enjoying is a "homebrew" ebook someone posted of every Hugo-award winning short story since the '50s. What I've read so far (not surprisingly) is more or less a compendium of "future" Twilight Zone episodes. "It's a Good Life", where Billy Mumy is sending everyone out to the cornfield is a tad bit more violent than the TV episode! Anyway, they're good readin' and easy to put down when something else catches one's eye... since the books are pretty mammoth! I'm gonna post them here because... why not? Hope everyone likes 'em as much as I do.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing how many great open-source programs there are. I used to use Nero a lot to recode larger mp3 files to smaller ones (there's just no reason to have a 320kbps mp3 of a scratchy country blues record from the '30s. Lowering the sound quality won't hurt that at all!), but I found a freeware recoder much faster and much more intuitive. But, for me, there's everything else that usenet offers... mainly TV and movies. On those rare occasions that I have to watch "live" TV and it has commercials, it drives me up a wall! Next highest on my list is my addiction to audiobooks. Then comes books and comics and music. So, as you can see, it's easy to make Usenet a worthwhile hobby!

Speaking of comics, anyone else read the new Flash Gordon series from Dynamite Comics? These folks are doing a fine job of raiding the closet for the pulp stars of yesteryear... they've also got a comic teaming Doc Savage with The Shadow. I'm not saying these comics are the next The Watchmen, but they're better than anything I've read from the DC/Marvel sausage factories in the last few years. Great stories, great art... what more is there to ask for?

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We were discussing digitizing newspapers, magazines and books for download from libraries in 1960. At least I was. But there was the issue of payment for the daily paper or the current magazine issues to deal with. My idea was, when home computers became affordable, to call the library through the computer over the phone line, request a book or publication by text, leave the message as an electronic letter or note to respond to later if the librarian was busy, search other library data indexes on a network if the book wasn't available locally, or if digitized. simply download it and read it on a video screen or print it on a digitally-modified teletype or a computer-coupled electronic typewriter.
And, people could also send instant letters by computer over phone lines, based on the library queue idea for requesting a book.
And then edit the message by manipulating the text as an interactive image in memory buffer before sending it or finalizing it, using a pointer device in a walnut shell with rotating potentiometers and select buttons that would control an arrow on the screen and the text under the arrow, or by highlighting the text with the arrow and button, to manipulate, copy and paste, or erase, typos, alphabet letters, words and whole paragraphs and pages.

I can't prove it now. Anybody could say that shit since it already exists. But not in 1960.

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And Wow! The "Talking Rings" that told the story of Books when they were spun like a Top in the film, "The Time Machine" may have been a reference to telephone rings and rotary dialers and telephone delivery of digital books EDIT: Or digital audio. But by that time, I had suggested using push buttons that controlled discreet oscillators generating a frequency for each number, to eliminate the rotary magneto pulse phone. And a digital switchboard to deal with many computers.

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btw just a random find. has queen been mentioned yet? okay, now it has..


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Queen? In reference to what?
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The character of "Johnny Fontane" vs. Charles Manson.
The incident with Charles looking for a recording contract via Dennis was in '68
The Godfather novel was published in March '69.

Is it possible?
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Uh, no. The story is based on Sinatra. Frank's career in the early '50s was that of... well, what I'm assuming Justin Bieber's career will be in about 4 years. He was a washed-up teen idol whose voice wasn't ringing as clear as that bell was in the '40s. But Frank read the bestseller From Here to Eternity and knew he could play the part of Maggio. No one in Hollywood wanted him to play Maggio any more than they'll want Bieber to play Indiana Jones when he's cast in 2019. That is where the question of "what was done to get Sinatra... far from a proven actor... a part that would win him an Oscar?" To be honest, I've never read anything to substantiate any organized-crime involvement, so that was a legendary (almost urban-legendary at this point) fanciful turn taken by author Mario Puzo. If any one person carries the most responsibility outside of Sinatra's tenacity it would be his then red-hot (in more ways than one!) girlfriend Ava Gardner, who may have used her clout to pull a few strings.

Who else is in that movie with Frank? He's the MP that beats Frank to death. Scary-looking fucker. I hope not everyone in Baltimore ends up looking like him in the near future.
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Of course. But I was thinking more along the lines of, well maybe Charlie reminded Puzo of something.
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And that is because, in Hollywood, there is a grapevine of information flowing that is separate from the press, or barely referred to by the press. Like a back page report of an incident at the Wilson house.

There is also something called a "Do Not Work For" list which makes the rounds.
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And a bit of useless inscrutable trivia.
The initials are J.F. = F.S. played by A.M.
Around here, anybody who is not "a made man" is often referred to as "a Jaybird",
so, "Jay Face" is not too far off.
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Here's what I'm gonna guess is the most informed review of Brian Wilson's new album, based on about 10 seconds listening to almost all the album samples:

meh

Pretty much all slow-tempo and at least two numbers that sounded exactly the same during my lightning review. I guess it's fine music for old people, unless the "old people" you've gotten used to listening to are Bruce Springsteen and Tom Russell... then it makes Brian sound pretty darn sleepy. But don't take my word for it!

http://www.allmusic.com/album/no-pie...ign=2015-04-07
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thanks, bill.

some of the tracks sound alright... altho brian's voice has jumped the shark that jumped the shark at this point.

the gal from "she & him" (on the island) has a super voice, and suggests to me that brian would be much better off leaving the leads to others... maybe sticking to collaboration, too. (whatever happened to the wondermints?)


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You think this is a game, junior? Is that a quote from a movie, or am I just imagining that? The She in She & Him is the "adorkable" Zooey Deschannel. No, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo35Bd0hS2I


EDIT: Who the fuck is doing the whistling? That's absolutely all I took away from watching that video.
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