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Old 06-24-2013, 09:00 PM
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Hey folks,

New around here but here is the scoop...

I hit start on my Williams EM Satin Doll (which was just working before she "walked out on me"), the credits decrease by one, but then instead of resetting the score and going forward with the startup sequence, she says game over again! I am certain that this is a simple fix, any suggestions? This is my first pin, and my first repair.

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funny how it seems that every pin that gets posted about problems
is a rare one?
the IPDB has nothing at all on this no manual for troubleshooting
http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=sa...ype=quick#2057
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Hey folks,

New around here but here is the scoop...

I hit start on my Williams EM Satin Doll (which was just working before she "walked out on me"), the credits decrease by one, but then instead of resetting the score and going forward with the startup sequence, she says game over again! I am certain that this is a simple fix, any suggestions? This is my first pin, and my first repair.

Thanks all
Is the ball count unit stuck?
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I have the original manual, but being that I have never tinkered with a pin, it still makes an easy problem difficult for me.

I will have a look now to see if the ball count has reset...
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I have taken a photo of both the ball count (reset) and the ball count in the diagram in the manual. http://postimg.org/image/ib1mbav6b/
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Each time I press the start button, regardless of how the ball count is positioned, it does the same thing as I described aaand the ball count does not move. Now, I am able to manually move the gears in the ball count, and I used some steel wool to clean up the surface where the electrodes touch, still same problem. The solenoids that control the ball count aren't even firing, and they are not burnt out from the looks of it they are still in good condition.
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I thought that might be one of those simple fixes you were hoping for.(This Droid Needs A Brand New Motivator!)....Simple fix #2 Try giving the score motor a little push. With the power on it should(I Believe) start moving and complete one full cycle. This works for my EM games but I'm not sure about yours.

P.S. With all those roll over buttons, drop targets and flippers 'Satin Doll' Looks like good fun...C_S

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Yeah, give it a little shove. Sometimes the coils go weak, and can't make it on their own. This thread had me worried. I saw it and thought there was a problem with the version I just uploaded lol.
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The score motor does turn, even when I hit the start button... and yes, if I give it a push it turns as well. Perhaps the score motor is no tripping the reset relay?

Yes, the she is a blast, can wait to get her up and running again.
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the game over relay is a latching relay. the trip coil pulls in at game over and the reset coil pulls in at the start of a new game. manually reset the game over relay. if it stays in you should have playfield power , if it trips right away there is a reset problem to be found.
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the game over relay is a latching relay. the trip coil pulls in at game over and the reset coil pulls in at the start of a new game. manually reset the game over relay. if it stays in you should have playfield power , if it trips right away there is a reset problem to be found.
The game over relay latch is shot! Which is causing the lock relay to heat up! This is great news, I'll be ordering some new coils for her, stat!!! Thank you so much, I will certainly keep you posted in the coming weeks on the fix!
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the lock relay pulls in and stays pulled in right after the machine is turned on. heating of the lock relay coil is normal. usually if the coil paper wrapper is burned up showing the wires the coil does not have much life left and should be changed.
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