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Thank you, Phoenixx!

Yesterday I noticed that the Visual Basic Scripts are at version number 3.29. As you write 'Installs the needed Visual Basic Scripts (Version 3.27+)' I'm not sure, which version is implemented. The + after the version number let's one think, it's the last version after 3.27. Is it?

What means +NT in your version numbering?
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Thank you, Phoenixx, You help soooo many people with your VIP'S.
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Thank you, Phoenixx!

Yesterday I noticed that the Visual Basic Scripts are at version number 3.29. As you write 'Installs the needed Visual Basic Scripts (Version 3.27+)' I'm not sure, which version is implemented. The + after the version number let's one think, it's the last version after 3.27. Is it?

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Just out of curiosity I made a complete, total uninstall-reinstall of VP, VPM & VPMan.It took me about twenty minutes to get everything working!

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Yesterday I noticed that the Visual Basic Scripts are at version number 3.29. The + after the version number let's one think, it's the last version after 3.27. Is it?
No, its 3.27 plus a couple not normally included in the standalone package.

Seems like someone forgot to post a note about the update here, which means i had no way of knowing a new version exists. Frankly this gets very frustrating, (not to mention annoying), because if the updates were important i had to make another build now only because i didnt know whats current. And why is that? Because two people only care about using a forumname that has never been theirs no matter if that means loosing any members. Well, so much for appreciation then i guess. If i didnt know that the VIP is mostly used by newcomers and people not related to this fine so called 'community' i would quit the whole damn thing on the spot,...
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I just only wanted to let you know about the 3.29 version of the scripts in case you are not aware about and I wanted exactly to know about the VIP content. That's all.

I didn't want to start another discussion about com and org and what else, but only try to give information how to possibly improve the VIP. In case you don't want any of this information as soon as I get notice from and as far as I think about the VIP, please let me know and I don't bother you anymore with that.
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Your efforts are greatly appreciated Phoenixx!!!

I've put together a DVD for a few friends who aren't computer savvy, and without your installer, I'd have had to set everything up for them. As it is, they run your installer, drag and drop the Tables and Roms, and they're away!!!

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What's the opinion on VP9 at the moment?

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Phoenixx, the next time you update the VIP, include this .dll.

It goes into the main "Pinball" folder where the VPinball.exe is, unzipped.

That's a fix for using two versions of VP (namely 8 and 9) at once.

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@The McD - so this is so VP8 and VP9 can be tried out without changing each other's settings, is that right?

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According to Microsoft, msvcr71.dll is a core part of Microsofts Visual C++ 7.1 / 2003.

It is needed by various applications and controls GUI related things like dropdown menus, buttons, scrollbars, mouse events, etc.

Exactly what good should that file do with regards to VP?

And particularly with regards to the two version thing? (Which i still dont quite understand.)

Somehow i fail to see it, and personally i dont have any problem running VP8 and VP9 executables from within one folder without this file being present in it.

More details please...
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Yeah, I was wondering if I could just rename the VP9 executable and put it in my VP8 Pinball dir, and run both versions as necessary.
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I re-installed using your newest VIP. Then I put VP9.0.2 into the Pinball folder and tried to run it.

That's what I did. Then I got the error that I need that DLL. That error has been duplicated, the reason is still unknown.

So there's something that needs that DLL. What it is? Dunno.

Just a suggestion, actually. Now that I read about the 4th thread asking about that DLL...

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I see.

The problem is that Vista (no matter what flavour) doesnt install that file, which means sooner or later (depending on what games and apps somebody uses) that error might have cropped up anyway. The net is full of examples, google it and see for yourself. That means it has nothing to do with VP in particular as it is merely a core component needed by progs and apps that were compiled with older versions of Visual C++. And that clearly falls under the 'Operation System Maintenance' category, which is why i wont include the file in the VIP. Besides, i dont know if redistributing a MS System DLL without authorisation is even permitted. Probably not.

I do thank you for the suggestion though, only with decent user feedback i can make the VIP better.
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Besides, i dont know if redistributing a MS System DLL without authorisation is even permitted. Probably not.
Maybe this will help?

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I think it'd be okay to include a copy in the installer.
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Maybe this will help?

I think it'd be okay to include a copy in the installer.
Ah,...i just see you edited your second line,...was about to say that if that quote is true (source?) then it should actually not be a legal problem to redistribute the file.

Anyhow, i still dont think it is a good idea in a 'Stick with the Essentials' kind of way. I cant possibly include all system files anyone might ever be missing, (for whatever reason), if i begin to do that then i might end up distributing half the operation system with the application. (Yes, its an exaggeration, but you know what i mean.) And thats not good program distribution practice in my opinion, like DirectX and .NET and other OS related stuff this should be taken care of by the user on a systemwide level (and consciously) since it affects a wide variety of applications. My advice is to download it and stick it in the Windows\System folder, every application that needs it ought to find it there.
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Yes, I agree with you there. It's probably best to let people download msvcr71.dll if necessary rather than distributing it.

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I would have included it on the spot if it were a file that is exclusively tied to VP or VPM. But since it is not i really think it is in a users best interest to fix that on a systemwide level so they dont run into that same problem again as soon as any other application needs that file.



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I read the post yesterday and wondered what's the connection to VP/VPM. I agree, the file doesn't belong into the VIP
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I read the post yesterday and wondered what's the connection to VP/VPM. I agree, the file doesn't belong into the VIP
To be frank, I find it better to walk them through a manual installation. That way, they get familiar with where everything is and how it all works together.

With the VIP installer, support beyond installation is much more difficult, IMO.
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Here we go.

If you're going to be frank, Noah, be fair as well. Some people don't have anyone to walk them through an installation (like me when I first downloaded the components). It took me many hours to figure it all out with decades of experience behind me. I know of others who just gave up until they found out about the installer.....

Can you give any examples of providing 'support beyond installation'?
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Here we go.

If you're going to be frank, Noah, be fair as well. Some people don't have anyone to walk them through an installation (like me when I first downloaded the components). It took me many hours to figure it all out with decades of experience behind me. I know of others who just gave up until they found out about the installer.....

Can you give any examples of providing 'support beyond installation'?
IMHO once _properly_ installed no support is required. VIP does that.


You're suffering from Acronym Redundancy Syndrome.
Didn't know the Visual Install Pack needed an Installer...
I, for example.
It really does.
Thanks PHOENIXX.

Noah & Phoenixx, for the benefit of the whole VP/VPM comunity, what about a link to the VIP on all VP/VPM related sites, & that includes VPForums.org?
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people like Linux and spending an entire night at the commandline just to compile whatever they need by hand, others prefer Windows and running an installer that sets them up in a matter of seconds with a couple of mouseclicks. Like i always say; each to their own.

So if somebody seriously believes that it is better to tell someone who has no idea how VP/VPM works to spend an evening (or two or three) with the manual setup even though the VIP will do the very same thing guaranteed flawlessly in 10 seconds, who am i to argue. I am sure the one asking for help will appreciate it, (especially when he finds out the true reason why that particular method has been recommended to him), and even more so once he becomes aware of the VIP, realizing that he could have been playing in a matter of minutes rather than downloading a dozen different things from a dozen different places and then figuring out what has to be unzipped where, etcetera etcerera. I guess the feature list of the VIP speaks perfectly for itself as far as that is concerned - take it or leave it, it makes no difference to me.

(There is one thing i dont quite understand though; if it is really so much 'better' to do it manually, why has 'Mr. Manual' up there asked me whether he can offer the VIP on the new site then? What did he mean when he said, and i quote: "It is definitely a nice way to break newbs into the scene"? But then again, that was before he knew what i was thinking about the scam, so he probably figured "if Phoenixx wont visit the site its better to tell new users to do it manually". I leave it to you to find the correlation there, (in case you wonder; i didnt find any), but then who cares, im sure he had his reason for his 'change of heart' and i definitely have more important problems than this,...)

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Has life treated you so poorly that you actually believe the shit you're spewing?

Must everyone always have some ulterior motive or hidden agenda?!

Are you a conspiracy theorist all the time?

Damn, dude, give it a rest!
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