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thanks, maties. i've been a little off the rails, lately... appreciate your support. sincerely.

so last night i watched "boyhood" (2014) by one of my favorite directors of all time, richard linklater.

okay, for sure it was a beautiful concept and a fantastic exposition, but... hmm... i guess i still think that a 'great movie' still needs to be great in order to be a great movie.

agree / disagree...?
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I don't know that I agree with that one. Or maybe I do. I think the audaciousness of the project makes it great in and of itself. You can honestly say that, outside of a documentary, there's never been a movie like it. It also would have left the door open for a certain amount of showboating on behalf of the filmmaker, but Linklater doesn't let his experiment get in the way of telling a great story. Frankly, maybe I'm just hungry for a movie whose biggest special effect is watching the cast age 10 years. And no one wears spandex or a cape.
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it could be that i've seen this kind of american story so many times before that i sort of hunger for fresh vistas or whatever.

maybe other countries find this fascinating. i mean, they watch this one... ghost world... whatever else, and are rightly fascinated from where they be standing... while i have a sort of deep hunger for how other peoples live across the world.

and yet i think what commander snobbily-snobhead is trying to say is that he doesn't really have some hateful bias towards great american movies or great american feel-good movies.

shawshank
philadelphia story
the shining
lebowski
jungle book
witches of eastwick

godammit, leftenant-- can you just give me a fun american movie or something that teaches me about the world? (otherwise i thrust my snout in the air and you forced to make bacon of me)
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Dude, that is one crazy list of movies! I'm still trying to figure out what category your crazy goddamned brain thinks these go in! I think I could do a short review of them all, though:

1. Melodramatic popcorn porn
2, Oh, boy! A movie based on a play! I can't wait toZZZzzzzzzzzz...
3. Uh... what was that again?
4. Overrated (funny, but overrated)
5. Naturalment! The Aristocats!
6. An insult to the word "movie".

Meanwhile, Ghost World is fucking awesome! Plus, I have a personal attachment for creepy old men that date Jewish girls 18 years younger than they are. It's not that I don't enjoy a good foreign film, but it often seems like a task to watch one. That and the fact that the one friend I depended on to tell me which ones were really worth my time (Umbrellas of Cherbourg, nic... I wouldn't steer you wrong!) passed away. Now I'm just another American slob, shoving Mike & Ikes into my mouth and wondering when Star Wars #19 is gonna start.
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Nic, if you're looking for an American movie with a foreign sensibility then I have one question for you: have you ever seen a Cassavettes film? Mind you, they're not for everyone. Hell, I'm not even sure if they're for me. But they do stand as a testament of what can be accomplished when talent far surpasses budget. And some of the best are available for free. Give one a shot, tell me what you think. (Come for the Cassavettes, stay for every Kenny Rogers Gambler movie ever made!)

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EDIT: Thinking about that list you made, I think it's necessary that I clarify a point I made earlier in the thread: I would rather watch Starship Troopers than any of them. I would rather watch Starship Troopers than Cassavettes. Would you like to know more?

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And Peter Falk wants to ask the pretty Japanese Escort, something to the effect of, "Dammit! Do you Expect Me to Suck Wheem?". (sp?)
At which point, the lady breaks down and cries.

This is his attempt with somebody else. He has a wife and kids back in New York, and he is not a dedicated cheater:

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Far be it for me to recommend a course of action that I, myself wouldn't take. So I got myself good and prepared () and decided to see how far I could make it through Woman Under the Influence. I made it about 45 minutes, which really isn't bad, since my head hasn't really been in a " movie" place lately. Cassavettes' filmmaking is a good example of the whole improvisational-based type of stuff that gained popularity in the '70s... but I can't say that's really my cup of celluloid. At least not more than a couple times a year. And I found Gena Rowland's approach towards portraying a woman suffering a mental imbalance... let's say "interesting". So, an almost-enthusiastic "thumbs up" to the first 45 minutes! Now I'm going back to that Peter F. Hamilton audiobook. That damn thing really is the best sci-fi I've read in many a moon!

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There was a t.v. movie on CBS maybe 10 years ago (???) with Mia Farrow as an altzheimer victim,
and it was so well done that I couldn't take it. That one, I lasted 5 minutes.
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There is a local joke about "going blind for having your eye stuck in the viewfinder all day".
I told them that I refuse to work in Hollywood, given their tempermental nature and sense of jealosy.
So they punched me in the eye instead.

This was after I suggested a through-the-lens video camera and external monitor as a viewfinder for analog film, and later, digital cameras and external monitor. So they took that too.

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I completely forgot that one of my favorite movies from last year was a foreign film. It will take you to a place like no other you've ever seen in America. The amazing thing is that it's an English film. Northern Soul takes place in a grimy part of northern England in the '70s, and it's full of grimy Englanders. The story itself is pretty predictable coming-of-age fodder, but the setting and the society is like nothing I experienced growing up in a grimy part of southern Kansas in the '70s. Oh, and the soundtrack is perfection. If you hear another song as good as this one in a movie this year, let me know... 'cause it must be one heck of a song to beat this one!
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So the cinematography of the setting is different from the typical grinder flick?
Most conventional films shoot straight on, or angle-up, overlit, and not at all what I might see if I was there.

That's why I liked "Goodfellas". The handling of the shots and what was seen. Norman Jewison, I believe, also did a great job of locale with "Family Business", capturing that New York state-of-mind.

It's been a long-standing bitch with my folks. I keep telling them that I want to see the rise on a knoll like the east coast, or the vertical rises along steep and narrow, curved and winding hillside streets of villas and Italian architecture like in the Hollywood Hills, or on Laurel Canyon Dr. Do I Have To Do It Myself??

That clip from "Husbands" is also some great cinematography and editing.

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This one is more often angle-down and from a distance in the establishing shots. That, in itself, puts the viewer in the place of an observer, sort of a "through-the-telescope" view of the city. Or the cinematographer just liked the way light of the setting sun hit the industrial ruin of their town. Or was it their Empire? Either way, a very pretty sunset.
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Dude, that is one crazy list of movies! I'm still trying to figure out what category your crazy goddamned brain thinks these go in!
just american feel-good bullshit movies with hints of this and that. starship poopers is definitely on that list for me... dangerous liaisons... 9 1/2 weeks... gattaca... batman (1989)... naked gun... eastwood westerns... indiana jones... house of games... confessions of a dangerous mind... goodfellas... dances with wolves...

point is, i'd rather see that kind of stuff than modern movie fare OR the examinations of modern american life.

ghost world, i prefer to read clowes' graphic novels. linklater... i'd rather watch his stream of consciousness and rotoscoped stuff.

american life and culture just isn't very interesting to me. we're a bunch of artless spoiled brats who can't stop flapping our jaws for the most part.


anyway... cassavetes, thanks. i'm familiar with the guy as an actor but i don't remember seeing any he directed. i'll have to watch some clips or something.

umbrellas of cherbourg, cool... haven't seen it. but i have a problem right now in that the movies i'm watching these days are streamed, meaning foreign ones usually dubbed. i suppose i can start trying to download them instead, and then patch them with the matching subtitle files... just that it's been very hit or miss with that. took me many tries to get "raise the red lantern" subtitled correctly and i was very lucky that "jiro dreams of sushi" worked correctly.
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Jeezum Crow! Is this our "grumpy old men" birthday? Is this what I have to look forward to in a month? And i thought I was the designated grumpy old man here! Are you stealing my shtick? Worse than that, you've put me in the unenviable position of defending the new millennium.
Take out the word "artless" and "spoiled brats who can't stop flapping our jaws" describes pretty much every great film director of the '70s... Scorsese, Altman, Coppola, Friedkin, Bogdonovich... so I think it's important to give said brats room to grow... and maybe keep them off Twitter.
I'm not sure whose cinema reflection you're seeing when you look into the American mirror. If it's senseless super-hero sturm und drang then I guess I can understand where you're coming from. But that also leaves it to you, as a member of our society, to put a little elbow-grease in to looking for something that speaks to you on our American experience, rather than offer a blanket condemnation. If you're weary of your own place in our Grand Experiment, perhaps experiencing our "American life and culture" through the eyes of a black man will change your mind. Fruitvale Station is now on Netflix and it's one of the best movies of this millennium about this millennium. Give it a shot. At the very least, it will help you kill a couple of hours before aforementioned Star Wars #19 comes out.
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Oh, and there will be blood! Okay, Bill, what have we talked about? No threatening people on the message boards! All apologies. Let's start this over.
Oh, and There Will Be Blood! That film easily makes my Top 20 Best Films Ever. After all, what could speak more clearly about the rapacious greed of American society in the early-21st century than a film about the rapacious greed of Americans in the early-20th century? Watching it through my own rather unique filter I also thought it worked as a pretty fitting allegory for our country's Iraq adventures. I'll admit, the pickings in American cinema do seem a little slim, but there are plenty of bright spots.

PS: what is it with the whole "downloaded subtitles" thing? I'm with you... I can get them to work about half the time... the other half? My high-school Spanish isn't enough to get me through a French film like You're Sleeping, Nicole. I've had that one sitting on my hard drive a couple months as I search fruitlessly for the subtitles. The thing is, in my current mindset, I'll probably put all this work into finding the subtitles, watch 20 minutes of it and turn it off.

Oh, and I'll kindly refuse your offer to look at a couple Cassavettes clips. I think you need to do the same thing I did; get good and prepared in the manner you see fit, see how long you can watch Woman Under the Influence, then report back to us. It'll be like a book club... but shorter!

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Damn Coppola. I wish he'd do a Godfather prequel about the rise of Italian Socialism, circa 1860's to WWI at the expense of the colloquial family trades, at the expense of The People by ruling class ex-nobles (like Sollazzo probably was, an ex-Noble Infiltrator), which then gave rise to The Italian Defense League and The Black Hand. The Origins, before they were corrupted by the infiltrators.
When Michael was but a gleam in the eye of a child named Vito, and America was a land of Liberty.

And how this era mirrors The Great Society some 50 years later. And now.

My second choice for Americana Cinema would be "The OW Movie". Based on Occupy Wall Street, as told from The Mayors office. A bit of Paddy Chayefski and M*A*S*H*.
It could save Sean Penn, dammit!

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Aw shit! You know, if I say it to somebody, then they won't rip it.

About that prequel, apparently, Italian Socialism was the design to pay for pregnancies and child rearing in order to populate the nation in anticipation of an Industrial Revolution; by producing a massive workforce. And this was done by denying trade, farming and fishing, to the people as producers.

When the socialist population became too large, this overpopulation led to the friction that culminated in part in the World Wars, possibly as a way to reduce the overpopulation.

The Black Hand once blackmailed Enrico Caruso, to acquire funding for their cause. But me, I'm thinking that he let them do it as a Gentleman, as a means to help finance the cause without facing incrimination by The State.
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da tavarisch, i know it sounds like a blanket condemnation... which is all the more odd coming from me. for what it's worth, i apologise to my fellow americans. still, it would probably take a nice long joint-aided conversation to explain how i got from A to Z on modern american civ, and is very likely beyond practicality to try to do so here.

hmm, i don't think of you as a grumpy old man in any sense. you seem chipper, playful, very clever and eclectic. at least, those are what these little pieces of paper say that i just pulled out of a hat, so try not to be too flattered / insulted or anything.

@subtitles,
it's been a little while, but i was messing around with this site for my subtitles:
http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search

seems like every distribution of a film needs a specific file, otherwise the timing is off. not just because of a timestamp issue, but because of the framerate and maybe one other factor, i think. but heck, maybe it's an easier process now.

@film club,
sounds like a plan, particularly since you've managed to work a small armload of suggestions in just now!
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Sorry, Arne. Bertolucci stole that idea from you years ago.

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LOL! Jesus, but I did, didn't I? It's like I have Tourette's Syndrome, but I yell out movie titles. Titfuck. Well, most of the time I do.
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1900. Yes, but no Black Hand. No story of how the people formed the organization, or the infiltration. There is still a lot to explore there, more than the first twenty minutes of Part II.
And you might have been closer by referencing "On the Waterfront".
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Ah yes, though how about those jetmen...

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Nah... I wouldn't have been. On the Waterfront is pretty Italian-free. What you need is a great book about the mafia in New York. Would you like to know more?
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Ah yes, though how about those jetmen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czy0pXRRZcs

Amazing stuff..
Screw dreaming of sushi! Jiro needs to dream he has a jetpack!
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2802144/

Now this was totally worth watching....
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Ah ha an anime...

http://myanimelist.net/anime/13391/R..._from_Paradise

English translations available...

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=698527

9 out of ten, AI, post apocalyptic intrigue!
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I'm gonna have to disagree on Kingsman. It's only worth watching if you haven't seen Kick-Ass, which is by the same writer and director and is pretty much the same movie, but for the fact this one has an English accent. Kid gets plucked from an ordinary life, he's a lean, mean killin' machine by the end. Along with other plot devices lifted straight from KA which I won't divulge lest the Spoiler God Shamash devour my soul. But it was nice to see that cute little thing that played the witch in the Harry Potter movies as the kid's mom. You remember... one of the adult witches with the pink hair that you just wanted to pick up and run off into the woods with?
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Fair evaluation ruby, still that said I found it rather entertaining and better then most recent releases.

Actually I also found Chappie a worthwhile watch.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823672/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
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