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Hi, new member.

Okay, maybe there should be a little more than that. Started playing back in the early 70s on the ratty EMs they had in the city rec center -- but who can argue with five balls for a dime? Besides, for a ten year old in 1974, making all four scoring drums roll over counted as an accomplishment.

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hello, new member.

i'm about your same age, but didn't get in to pinball until much later, specifically via computer. "black night" and "firepower" were translated very ably to 8-bit computers, which i played a lot through the late 80's. then, after moving on to macs, i discovered the great littlewing simulations. their version of "8 ball deluxe" was superb.

finally, a place near my work started carrying pins instead of arcade games, and i was off and running. "addams family" might have been the first real-life pin i played a lot and got fairly good at. later i got some of my own machines (70's EMs) and had a lot of fun repairing them.

so then, have you used visual pinball to play the old machines from your childhood?
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Oh, definitely. I recall one particular arcade in Toledo that had Hercules (the oversized one that had billiard balls for pinballs). The whole mall that was in is gone now.

Eight Ball Deluxe, Silverball Mania, Flash and Centaur were the main machines in the game room at my college (there was one other, and Bob only knows what it was). There was something about the Silverball Mania machine, I don't know, but if I popped less than five credits it was a bad game. I eventually took to playing it cross-handed for the additional challenge -- I wasn't the only one who did that, and we called it playing 'tiger style' for no reason that was ever made evident. On a college student's average pocket money, having a game that was an easy win was a definite plus.

Later, when I moved to central Ohio, there was a great arcade towards campus that had Doctor Who, Addams Family and Twilight Zone, which is the trifecta in my mind.
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Welcome, fellow oldster! Sorry about the missing thread, but you're the first new member we've ever had! Looks like we both started playing pinball the same year... although I think I'm a tad younger. Space Invaders pinball was the guaranteed "game-printer" that I focused on. If it cost more than a quarter to play for an hour, then I just wasn't holding up my end. The Hercules machine in Wichita was located at Joyland Amusement Park. Fortunately for me, Youtube allows me to watch my childhood die any time I want to!

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Yeah, I did a little webcrawling to remind myself that the Southwyck Mall arcade was called 'Old Towne' -- it was themed around the 1890s, had cobblestone walkways, and one of those places to get a picture taken in reproduction period clothes. And it usually had the best machines in those days before video games completely took over.

I was playing an EM table on VP and found myself genuinely missing the tactile part of the game, feeling the vibrations of the ball rolling on the table and banging into things, not just the electronic noise of it. There's supposed to be a small arcade downtown; I think I know what I'm doing this weekend.
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there is a certain haunting beauty to abandoned places. they persuade me to think thoughts like-- "we're not so different from our forbears."


anyway yeah, VP just doesn't give you the discrete vibrations from a pin, which is surely a lot more noticeable on EM's. i think a few authors tried to simulate that via sound effects, such as with "embryon."


oh hey, that avatar is ghoulardi, right? he was wrapping his show up around the time i was born. i was more of a "superhost" kind of kid when i was in ohio.

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I remember Superhost well, though I was more a Ghoul guy -- he was syndicated to Detroit, which I could pick up in Toledo. And when I went to college south of Cleveland, Big Chuck and Little John.

Also from Detroit, I watched Sir Graves Ghastley.

Ghoulardi wrapped when I was about 3, so I don't have personal memories, but oh, his impact...
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ah, very good.

so how about you ask bill (LeeVanCleef) and nic (Ike Savage) some questions about pinball, gaming in general, and/or what in particular makes us so much more enlightened human beings than yourself.

shirley-- doesn't a question arise somewhere along the line...?
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All right, what's your preference: Bally, Williams, Stern or Gottlieb? (in general, of course... I had favorites from each manufacturer, though I generally preferred a Bally machine)

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That pantywaist ain't got nothing on The Host and Rodney! Shortly after this aired, Tom Leahy signed up for NASA and began an afternoon cartoon show as Major Astro. When the Watergate hearings pre-empted Major Astro, a lifelong liberal was born. Fucking Nixon! I wanted to watch The Thunderbirds! Tom Leahy was a hard-drinking motherfucker. Tom would be a fifth of whiskey down before Ghoulardi could say "Slippery Nipple, please."



Bally, then Williams. I'm not sure why the others exist, other than to make Bally and Williams look good. Except Gottlieb. Gottlieb is on this earth because Man displeased God somehow and Gottlieb is the price we pay for our sins. I don't like Gottliebs very much.
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Heh, back when you could smoke on TV. Where was that host out of?

We were definitely spoiled around here -- Sir Graves Ghastley up in Detroit, and over in Cleveland it was a horror host festival, what with Ghoulardi (which spun off both The Ghoul and Houlihan and Big Chuck/Big Chuck and Little John) and Superhost, Son Of Ghoul in Akron, and Fritz the Night Owl in Columbus (who still hosts a monthly live gig at a theater here that I really need to get to one of these days).
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I like that 'horror Host' guy. He seems pretty at home in that role. More than once I thought he was doing Richard Nixon's alter ego.
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All right, what's your preference: Bally, Williams, Stern or Gottlieb? (in general, of course... I had favorites from each manufacturer, though I generally preferred a Bally machine)
bally-williams from the 90's, during that period in which it was in fact the same company merely taking turns with the name. the talent, the bankroll, the manufacturing quality, and even the patented technology were all first-rate... perhaps never again to be repeated.

stern has been kind of hit-or-miss for me, partially because of having lower overheads and lack of access to certain technology... such as AI that kicks in when there's a broken feature. overall i'm certainly happy that they're in business.

gottlieb produced a lot of quirky classics. they had a way of achieving similar results as bally-williams using different means. stargate, waterworld, cue ball wizard and cactus jack were some favorites.

data east (and many of the other companies) also deserves a mention. rocky & bullwinkle, jurassic park and hook were all loads of fun.

zaccaria is maybe the only major company i haven't been able to get in to so much. a bunch of their finest tables are very generously available via a free tablet app, but their stuff is a little on the old side, and not to mention hasn't aged too well for me. at best their tables kind of seem like awkward imitations of the top boys' stuff. taito and inder also had this kind of problem, i think. american know-how seems to win when it comes to pinball.


and you, trdsf (TuRDucken in San Francisco?),
who are your faves?
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Oooo, in no particular order... Eight Ball Deluxe, Silverball Mania, Centaur, Xenon, Pinbot, Doctor Who, Addams Family, Twilight Zone, Funhouse, Haunted House, and I'm sure I'm forgetting several but those are my go-to machines generally. I seem to have fond memories of both Hook (better than the movie, but that didn't take much) and Bram Stoker's Dracula, but can't remember a lot of details about either (other than the moving magnet in Dracula).

(The Rev Dr Sherwood Forrester, actually -- a handle I picked up in MST3K fandom)
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hah, okay! but then... how shall we address you, sir?

the rev? doctor SF? TL;DR?

to be clear: around here we're pretty much a bunch of middle-aged, annoying assholes, sometimes enjoying each others' company, sometimes resenting each other. i suspect either way is good!

overall, perhaps MAYBE we have sort of a hive-mind that propels the whole flatulence-driven starship FORWARD. (always forward, mind you)
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Finally... a MSTie! I post MST3K movies here all the time, but do these Philistines get it? No, they do not! Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd end up on a pinball internet forum where none of the other puffy, balding white guys would know MST3K from OhShitY2K!. So, fuck pinball... let's talk MyST! While it's hard to pick a favorite, it's tough to beat the benchmarks that were Joel's last episode (Mitchell!) and Mike's first one (The Brain That Wouldn't Die). At the risk of starting a 1990s newsgroup argument, I would have to say I prefer Mike's tenure over Joel's. But after MST3K, I'd pick Cinematic Titanic over Rifftrax. Mostly because of Trace Beaulieu. You ever seen Other Space, Rev. Forrester? It's a Yahoo Original series, so trying to get it to work is like trying to clean your nails with a straight razor. Ah, but it is worth it! Episode 5 features Trace's finest performance as a robot.

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I know MST3K. My wife always likens me to Hubert Farnsworth though. Just because I can build that kind of stuff....

I used to play here in the day. Hotter Than Mother's Music in Mt Prospect Illinois.This place was the meca of arcades in Illinois. A 2 story house that dates to the 1800's as a General Store. Pins were upstairs, mostly. The manufacturers would give this place pins to test their interest. When I was a kid I made the 7 mile trip through busy streets on my bike. My mom about had a cow! When I got my license I started running my dad's business. He had about 50 or more accounts with pins and video games.

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i usually figured MST3K meant "the musty smell of 3000yrs in space."

like, it was a riff on that old captain kirk episode.

"that's a good episode, walter."
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