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Old 05-26-2009, 12:47 PM
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This just comes to mind while looking at the attachment: What's about the screenshots implemented into some table files? The screenshots tab in the VPLauncher.dat stay empty?
In this case VPLauncher (and I think VP-Man also) extract the screenshot from the table info, so it is correct to let the screenshot entry empty.
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Thanks, Roland.

While still downloading tables ( ), this came to mind as well:

How to differentiate between VP 8.1.1, VP 9.x.x, 16:9, FS and what else?

@ What's about the IPDB reference in the unused fields 11 & 12?
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What's about the IPDB reference in the unused fields 11 & 12?
The massive database of pinball machine resources is at http://www.ipdb.org
Each Pin has a unique reference number, along with resources like photo's of real pins (I use them to generate skins), manuals, electronic schematics, ROMS etc.

I would like to get that reference number added to VPLauncher.dat in one of the unused fields. I (think) I can write a script to do it automatically after we have updated the .dat with all the new tables.
My plan is to use the Name in .dat field 0 as part of an automated query to download the ipdb page, isolate reference number and add it into the .dat. Might take a day or so to run!

Maybe we can use the other unused field (or add more) for VP version, aspect etc.
Maybe do that later?
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:30 AM
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Thanks, Roland.

While still downloading tables ( ), this came to mind as well:

How to differentiate between VP 8.1.1, VP 9.x.x, 16:9, FS and what else?
Hm, I don't see how this could be integrated.
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Roland, I have noticed that VPL seems to name unknown tables from the vpt file's 'Table Name' field in Table Info. For example, I have two versions of Gottlieb Devil's Dare. One is called dd098.vpt, has no Table Info, but is known and recognised. VPL and the .matches and exported CSV files call this table "Devil's Dare" as expected. The other is unknown to VPLauncher.dat, filename "Devil's Dare.vpt" - version 0.30, is called "GOTTLIEBS DEVIL'S DARE" in the Table Info -> 'Table Name' field, and appears as "GOTTLIEBS DEVIL'S DARE" in VPL, .matches, exported CSV, and .userdat (which I assume is for tables unknown to VPLauncher.dat).

Can you confirm the order in which VPL names the tables:
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1) Compare vpt CRC32 with values in VPLauncher.dat. If found, use field 0 (Table Name) of VPLauncher.dat in .matches and exported CSV files. If not found:
2) Search .vpt Table Info for Table Name. If found, use that name in .matches, .userdat and exported CSV files. If not found:
3) Use an algorithm (would be interested to know which algorithm) to attempt to match field 0 in VPLauncher.dat with the table filename (minus .vpt extension). If a match is found, use field 0 of VPLauncher.dat in .matches, .userdat and exported CSV files. If not found:
4) Use the filename?
Roland, you might have missed this post on page two.....
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Matt, are you still in? I read about your banning of all MS and already thought, I now have to do all on my own. Ok, not exactly, Deep Stuff offered his help at VPF.org.
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Roland, you might have missed this post on page two.....
Sorry, I really did.

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Roland, I have noticed that VPL seems to name unknown tables from the vpt file's 'Table Name' field in Table Info. For example, I have two versions of Gottlieb Devil's Dare. One is called dd098.vpt, has no Table Info, but is known and recognised. VPL and the .matches and exported CSV files call this table "Devil's Dare" as expected. The other is unknown to VPLauncher.dat, filename "Devil's Dare.vpt" - version 0.30, is called "GOTTLIEBS DEVIL'S DARE" in the Table Info -> 'Table Name' field, and appears as "GOTTLIEBS DEVIL'S DARE" in VPL, .matches, exported CSV, and .userdat (which I assume is for tables unknown to VPLauncher.dat).

Can you confirm the order in which VPL names the tables:
e.g.
1) Compare vpt CRC32 with values in VPLauncher.dat. If found, use field 0 (Table Name) of VPLauncher.dat in .matches and exported CSV files. If not found:
2) Search .vpt Table Info for Table Name. If found, use that name in .matches, .userdat and exported CSV files. If not found:
3) Use an algorithm (would be interested to know which algorithm) to attempt to match field 0 in VPLauncher.dat with the table filename (minus .vpt extension). If a match is found, use field 0 of VPLauncher.dat in .matches, .userdat and exported CSV files. If not found:
4) Use the filename?
The third column of the dat has for every entry either a CRC32 or part of a table file name. With this in mind, the following steps are executed in this order until a match is found
1. Exactly your point 1 above
2. Match the file name against all parts of a file name in column 3.

If it matched, all information from the dat is used with one exception:
If it matched due to 2, try to use the information from table info for the table name (and not from the dat). If there is no table name in table info, use the table name from dat.

If it didn't match in 1 or 2, use table name from table info, if available, else use file name.
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Matt, are you still in? I read about your banning of all MS and already thought, I now have to do all on my own. Ok, not exactly, Deep Stuff offered his help at VPF.org.
No I'm Still in. I can run VPL under a Linux Windows emulator (wine).
Wine will run VP and allow tables to be loaded, but not played, so I can still access table info from Linux, or even build an original (just not test it!)
Looking to install VMWare or virtual box to run XP inside Linux, so maybe I will still be able to run VP
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I didn't proceed since last. I'm still collecting tables from everywhere.
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So much for your claim to 'laziness'.
Keep up the good work Yogi!
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Still in. I'll need some easy to follow instructions to help though.
I have 1774 tables at present.
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Hi Deep Stuff,

I hope instructions will follow soon, although I guess, that nearly all can taken from this thread. But a summarisation would be nice.

I'm still collecting tables from everywhere and I'm still on search for further tables. I still didn't start.

Two free weeks from next weekend on, so I don't think, I will start before my birthday.
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Hi, just reading through the forum, i'm a part time lurker. I joined to see if this helps.

As far as tables go I recently joined a site called pleasuredome. I'm sure that some of you are members. If not they basically serve up full up to date rom sets for Mame and other systems on a ratio based system. They also have pinball tables and the Pinmame rom set. I don't know if this helps but I was able to get 13 gig of tables in a day or two.

Anyway here is the link - http://www.pleasuredome.org.uk

The trouble I'm having is that I want to run all tables from within the archives since the screenshots and rules are in the zip file. AFAIK there is no way to do this, at least if there is I haven't found it. I generally do as much research as I can before I post anything anywhere but I just can't find it.

Someone must have some idea for the collection to exist in the first place. The uploader of the file is called ARMAX. Anyone have any insight?

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Hello Monyet,

I had the idea to eventually update the VPLauncher.dat file in collaboration with some others. The file stores table informations like file name, author, year,... and file names of screenshots, flyers, ... to use and to become displayed in the VPLauncher frontend as well as in VP-Man frontend.

To update the VPLauncher.dat, my idea was to get as many tables (not roms) as possible first, then check the missing entries in the VPLauncher.dat and then run the VPLauncher in edit mode and add or change the entries to the VPLauncher.dat.

I already have downloaded a bunch of tables (there's no way to have a complete set of tables, because there are too many and not all are available and nobody knows about all of them).

The problem is: I'm actually not aware, if there are still and really cooperators. That's a problem because I feel/know it's much too much work for me alone. I still wait for the announced tutorial, but I'm not sure, if Meecro Hyperion is still active. I didn't see any post of him last. If not, I would have to make the tutorial myself, because people, who would like to help (i. e. Deep Stuff), already asked for instructions.

Actually I'm undecided to continue further prearrangement, because there's not much common interest at all.

About pleasuredome: I don't use any P2P software, so pleasuredome isn't what I was looking for.

About your trouble: You can't run the tables from within any archives. You have to unextract the table files (*.vpt) to your tables folder and any screenshots, flyers and rules to the folders, where your frontend wants them to be.

Feel free to ask here, if you have additional questions. It's a nearly dead thread now, so you can post off topic stuff until it becomes more on topic again. I don't worry about.
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I'm sorry to announce this, but I just even decided, that I give up the project.

The reason is not, that I only feel completely overstrained, but that it's fact that I'm overextended. I can't manage the amount of all the tables available here and there and elsewhere that I already have downloaded and that I still haven't downloaded. Originals, recreations, VP, VPM, VP 8, VP 9, 4:3, rotated, full screen, cabinet, mods, ... .

I lost overview completely, even if I tried to sort all the downloads at once.

Most tables, if not nearly all since about 2 years or more, I still didn't play on my own. The project in mind I lose fun to try them more and more. I finally want to have fun again and that's the most important part of my decision. I will play some 'new' tables next.

Alongside I'm a little disappointed by the lowly interest in an updated VPLauncher.dat at all. I would have expected much more interests and help submissions also.

However, this doesn't necessarily mean, that the project is dead. Everyone is invited to take over the project to continue. I'm out. Please don't try to convince me from the opposite.

Thanks for your understanding.

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That's a lot of work to get every table ever released, Yogi

Unless a long time player of VP had been downloading every original released online from the start of VP, there is no way to have a complete list of original tables to begin with or every VPM table version ever released IMO. I think an updated dat file would be good for recreated tables though.

I don't use vplaucher or any other front end right now. I have in the past, but I don't feel a need to anymore with having to change between VP8 and VP9 to play different tables. I have VP8 and VP9 table folders seperated as well. I can see why some players would want to use a front end, but IMO It's just easier to play a table from VP and it's easier to edit a table.

Good luck to anyone who has a complete list of all tables though, if they want to update the dat. I would be willing to try it out.

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Whats with the hazing? Yeah someone should probably get permission before changing someone's work but geez is it worth totally dissing someone that hardcore, c'mon, for real? He was just trying to help us all out. An updated dat file would be ideal, considering I like to use VPman so I can play a random table and have a favorites list and all that, I think its great because u can see the high scores also, but the dat file doesn't have all the tables I want in there. Actually both VP and FP dat files considering FP has gotten a lot better in recent times with the ball physics both are a must have for pinball fanatics.
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